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Jack de Belin is fighting to overturn a harsh, unfair and draconian playing ban that could make him virtually unemployable, his lawyer says. St George Illawarra is ready to play the 28-year-old as soon as Saturday if he wins a Federal Court challenge against his suspension this week.

De Belin was greeted in court by NRL boss Todd Greenberg on Monday as the three-day hearing to determine the legality of the NRL’s ‘no-fault stand-down policy’ got underway.

De Belin’s lawyer said the policy introduced in March is automatic, retrospective and unprecedented in any Australian sporting code.

Mr Einfeld said another absurdity is that any suspended player has no right to appeal the decision which is a “remarkable and extreme provision.” The lock’s immediate playing future is not the only career at stake with Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter Beattie’s own leadership on the line pending the landmark case.

Dragons coach Paul McGregor said if de Belin wins he would “absolutely” rejoin the club’s active roster for their round six clash against the Manly Sea Eagles on Saturday night. Beattie could be forced to step away from the top job with the blowtorch to be put on the former Queensland Premier and the rest of the Commission should the rule be overturned.
This is a denial of natural justice - the right to defend yourself against claims and accusations like this. Irrespective of anything else - it is wrong !
 

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Trent Barrett is close to returning ‘home’ to the Dragons in an assistant coach role in the coming months. Wide World of Sports has learned that the Dragons are close to signing Barrett once Manly stop paying his contract mid-year. Barrett is a favourite son of the Big Red V, having played three seasons and 45 games for Illawarra from 1996 to 1998 before a further 11 years and 193 games for the merged St George Illawarra.

The former New South Wales and Kangaroos five-eighth then finished his playing career with stints at Wigan and Cronulla before embarking on his disastrous three year coaching stint at Manly. The Sea Eagles brought in Des Hasler to replace Barrett this season and only weeks ago, Barrett was linked to the Wigan job for 2020.

But he now appears set to join Ben Hornby and Dean Young as Paul McGregor’s assistants at the improving Dragons.
 

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I am in two minds about the Trent rumours.
The Dragons apart from Bennett have gone down the "use former Dragons" players in coaching roles.

Its good to see them look after former players BUT.....The Dragons have suffered from the same issues for years.....both in defence and attack.

Employing "in house" is only perpetuating the problems as nothing new is being brought into the playing or coaching styles.
I would rather see management bring in coaching staff from outside who had nothing to do with the club so some fresh ideas can be employed instead of the same old efforts.
 

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If DeBelin came back and they got Israel they'd be looking very good.
Cant see Izzy getting a run in NRL as Beattie has already opened his mouth and said no.
Former sports players who now media are lining up to vilify him mostly as they are changing their feet from their mouth.
Liz Ellis has had a shot at izzy and also said it will affect his netballing kiwi wife who is signed to south Australia.
Only problem is Ellis still thinks John Grant is the NRL boss.
At 30 yrs old it doesn't leave izzy much room to move but it wont be to the Dragons.
 

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The use of the Net Promoter Score (NPS), a key justification for the Australian Rugby League Commission’s decision to stand down Jack de Belin, has been deemed largely irrelevant in a blow to the defence of the governing body’s new hardline stance on player behaviour.

The parties returned to the Federal Court for the second day of a hearing that will determine the legitimacy of the game's new "no-fault" stand-down policy for players charged with serious criminal offences.

The NRL was intending to show a correlation between a large drop in the NPS ratings - a measure used to show the health of the NRL’s brand - and the charges against de Belin. The NPS is the construct of Kevin Alavy, the managing director of Futures Sport and Entertainment, with his data supplied in the form of an affidavit from NRL chief operating officer Andrew Abdo as part of the ARLC’s defence.

In December of 2018, the NPS dropped by six percentage points. The drop was more significant for female fans, dropping 15 points to a score of minus-12. The ratings were derived from a survey of respondents based on one question: "Are you likely to recommend rugby league to your family and friends?"

De Belin’s barrister, Martin Einfeld QC, claimed the evidence should be inadmissible as it has "no proper foundation" and was misleading when coupled with television ratings. He claimed that factors outside de Belin’s police charges, including other on or off-field incidents, could have contributed to the drop in the NPS rating. The debate about the admissibility of the evidence, or how much weight it should be given, continued into Tuesday morning’s court session.

Justice Melissa Perry said the NPS was "incapable of bearing any probative weight" and that the "speculative nature" of the evidence meant it should be limited to helping determine how much consideration Abdo gave it as a contributor to the NRL’s decision to implement its new rule.
 

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The use of the Net Promoter Score (NPS), a key justification for the Australian Rugby League Commission’s decision to stand down Jack de Belin, has been deemed largely irrelevant in a blow to the defence of the governing body’s new hardline stance on player behaviour.

The parties returned to the Federal Court for the second day of a hearing that will determine the legitimacy of the game's new "no-fault" stand-down policy for players charged with serious criminal offences.

The NRL was intending to show a correlation between a large drop in the NPS ratings - a measure used to show the health of the NRL’s brand - and the charges against de Belin. The NPS is the construct of Kevin Alavy, the managing director of Futures Sport and Entertainment, with his data supplied in the form of an affidavit from NRL chief operating officer Andrew Abdo as part of the ARLC’s defence.

In December of 2018, the NPS dropped by six percentage points. The drop was more significant for female fans, dropping 15 points to a score of minus-12. The ratings were derived from a survey of respondents based on one question: "Are you likely to recommend rugby league to your family and friends?"

De Belin’s barrister, Martin Einfeld QC, claimed the evidence should be inadmissible as it has "no proper foundation" and was misleading when coupled with television ratings. He claimed that factors outside de Belin’s police charges, including other on or off-field incidents, could have contributed to the drop in the NPS rating. The debate about the admissibility of the evidence, or how much weight it should be given, continued into Tuesday morning’s court session.

Justice Melissa Perry said the NPS was "incapable of bearing any probative weight" and that the "speculative nature" of the evidence meant it should be limited to helping determine how much consideration Abdo gave it as a contributor to the NRL’s decision to implement its new rule.
Maybe they should also consider the people who will walk away from the game for punishing people who haven't been proven guilty!

This is all a part of a culture war and the NRL are pandering to the crazy feminists/social justice snowflakes.
 

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Maybe they should also consider the people who will walk away from the game for punishing people who haven't been proven guilty!

This is all a part of a culture war and the NRL are pandering to the crazy feminists/social justice snowflakes.
Its just the way they run it. No planning or that - and Beattie is a real problem. Its a multi-million dollar business and we have amateurs running it.
 

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McGregor about to be extended 2 years. Hard to believe. Why they need to do it this early is hard to guess. Surely NO-ONE else would be after him ?