Rugby League Saints - 2020 - UPDATE

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The St George Illawarra Dragons will commence their annual review of the football department next week.

Dragons Chief Executive Brian Johnston said that while the club undertakes a review at the end of every year, it will take on added significance given the Dragons' disappointing 2019 campaign.

"Nobody at the club is happy with how the Dragons have performed and that's extended to all our stakeholders including members and supporters," Johnston said.

"We are committed to reviewing all aspects of our football department to ensure improvement in 2020."

Long-term rugby league administrator and former coach Phil Gould has agreed to take part in aspects of this process.
 

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Might see a few older faces gone. Latimore and Widdop of course as well.

Hornby and Young from the coaching staff ?
 

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Might see a few older faces gone. Latimore and Widdop of course as well.

Hornby and Young from the coaching staff ?
The whole lot needs to go
Coaching staff
Definitely recruiting staff.
They haven't been doing a decent job for years and the debacle over Dugan was a joke. His form has been great over at the sharks even allowing for his being injury prone.
Mary will get off with a "players didn't deliver" and will carry on more than likely.
the club desperately needs outside input and get completely away from in house jobs for ex players.
Like it or not the game is a business now and the Dragons balance sheet is so bad they warranted being foreclosed on.

The odd thing is both Hornby and Young could be a success …..elsewhere and I wish them luck.
 

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The whole lot needs to go
Coaching staff
Definitely recruiting staff.
They haven't been doing a decent job for years and the debacle over Dugan was a joke. His form has been great over at the sharks even allowing for his being injury prone.
Mary will get off with a "players didn't deliver" and will carry on more than likely.
the club desperately needs outside input and get completely away from in house jobs for ex players.
Like it or not the game is a business now and the Dragons balance sheet is so bad they warranted being foreclosed on.

The odd thing is both Hornby and Young could be a success …..elsewhere and I wish them luck.
Yes - we need a REAL review - not a Mickey mouse one.

The players did let us down - post SOO - but Mary is the coach. Are they really his tactics - bash and barge ? One off plays one after the other. If not - why didn't he do something ?

I feel he has to go.
 
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Yes - we need a REAL review - not a Mickey mouse one.

The players did let us down - post SOO - but Mary is the coach. Are they really his tactics - bash and barge ? One off plays one after the other. If not - why didn't he do something ?

I feel he has to go.
Sad but true.
Mary has had long enough at the helm including a season with the "team" he wanted and the results just weren't there.

All teams are affected by injuries and suspensions but the mark of a good coach is to work around those issues and make an effort on the field.

We have some good young players coming up from lower grades that need to be kept before they sign elsewhere.
I just feel on his record Mary is not the coach to bring out the best in those players.
 

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he man with the best coaching record in England has put his hand up to save St George Illawarra.
The Dragons are poised to hold a review headed by former Blues coach Phil Gould that may well decide the fate of embattled coach Paul McGregor.
But former Wigan coach Shaun Wane has jumped the gun, hiring an Australian agent and declaring himself ready, willing and able to take over the coaching job at the Big Red V.

Wane has a great reputation in England since taking over the reins at Wigan from current Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire in 2012.
He won one minor premiership, one Challenge Cup, three grand finals and one World Club Challenge.

He walked away from the club last year for a break and is currently doing some part time work with Scotland Rugby Union.
Wane has signed up with one of the most powerful management groups in Australian rugby league - SFX - which already has several NRL coaches on its books.
The group is believed to have made an informal approach to the Dragons telling them that Wane is keen to take on the coaching job at the Big Red V.
 

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Four NRL clubs are fighting a battle to sign one of the best prospects in rugby league - the son of former Dragons star and world boxing champion Anthony Mundine.
CJ Mundine is 18 and starred for the Dragons as a utility back in this year's SG Ball competition.
The Dragons are desperate to keep Mundine junior but are facing stiff opposition from Canberra, the Bulldogs and Titans.
Proud father 'The Man' is confident the youngster has what it takes to succeed in the NRL.
 

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In 2019, the Red V have had their lowest possession percentage of all their full seasons under McGregor. In 2015 and 2017 it was over 51 per cent, 2016 was at 49.3 per cent, 2018 was 48.8 per cent, and 2019 is slightly lower at 48.7.

This year is their second-worst for completions over that time, at 76.3 per cent, with only 2016’s 75.4 per cent worse.

They’ve also made fewer line breaks in 2019 than their previous two seasons – 5.1 per game in 2017 and 3.4 in 2018, compared to 3.2 this year.

But most glaring is the field of post-contact metres. In 2015, 2016 and 2017 the Dragons averaged more per game than the competition average. But in 2018, that number dipped below the average. And while the number of post-contact metres has dropped competition-wide in 2019, McGregor’s team have fallen even further.

Tackle breaks also peaked in 2017, at 40.4 per game. In 2018 they were down to 35.8 and have plummeted to 28 in 2019.

Dummy-half running is the lowest it’s ever been under McGregor. In 2016 they made 14.6 runs from dummy half per game but that number fell to 12.5 and 12.3 in 2017 and 2018 respectively. In 2019, it’s down to just 10.

Offloads, which had been a team trait, have dropped by two per game in 2018 and almost another two again this year. Try assists have also fallen over the last two seasons, as have line-break assists.

Now obviously this is a simplistic view, however if a pack brimming with international stars like James Graham, Paul Vaughan, Tyson Frizell, and Korbin and Tariq Sims cannot cover for de Belin’s loss – let alone maintain solid numbers for three years – then there’s a much bigger issue.

Despite the magnificent squad all at the peak of their careers, this team is going backwards. They started heading in that direction before the last off-season.

The problem is a one-dimensional coach who is incapable of adapting and implementing changes to the point his side has become pedestrian. They are now the worst thing a team can be in attack: predictable. Much like the excuses he constantly trots out.

The Round 24 loss to the Tigers saw Paul McGregor become the St George Illawarra Dragons’ losingest coach in 21 years of the JV.

He, and those responsible for extending his tenure as coach, need to be replaced immediately if the club is to turn their fortunes around.
 

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SJ the problem with stats is you can interpret them in a number of ways and averaging errors out can actually give a false impression of how bad the club performed.
We had a couple of games were the players actually did more than a few "offloads" and that would have boosted their season average when in actual fact its a lot worse...….too much one out running and dying with the ball by the forwards.
Frizzel is a marked man out wide and has had trouble holding the passes not that he has made much field position when he caught it.

The backs were mainly "catch and pass" with little draw and pass or offloads.....Lafai tries to offload but they are more panic passes than offloads.

The stat for our defence I would really like to see is Metres conceded as our stand and wait or defend on the back peddle just gives away a lot of metres.
 

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SJ the problem with stats is you can interpret them in a number of ways and averaging errors out can actually give a false impression of how bad the club performed.
We had a couple of games were the players actually did more than a few "offloads" and that would have boosted their season average when in actual fact its a lot worse...….too much one out running and dying with the ball by the forwards.
Frizzel is a marked man out wide and has had trouble holding the passes not that he has made much field position when he caught it.

The backs were mainly "catch and pass" with little draw and pass or offloads.....Lafai tries to offload but they are more panic passes than offloads.

The stat for our defence I would really like to see is Metres conceded as our stand and wait or defend on the back peddle just gives away a lot of metres.
I think the nail's head in that one is "one dimensional coach". Our poor D options - and one off attack for the first 3 or 4 tackles is clear - and must be Mary.
 

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The 2020 schedule will see Saints play 11 of our 12 home games at our traditional Kogarah and Wollongong venues.

ST GEORGE ILLAWARRA 2020 HOME VENUE ANNOUNCEMENT
  • Six games at WIN Stadium, Wollongong
  • Five games at Netstrata Jubilee Stadium, Kogarah
  • The traditional Anzac Day clash at the Sydney Cricket Ground
Mudgee's Glen Willow Stadium and the Central West of New South Wales will still play an important role in the Dragons' 2020 campaign with the annual Charity Shield against the South Sydney Rabbitohs set down for the pre-season.

Saints 2020 Red V Membership program will go on sale next week