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moto748

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Well we have our own currency in or out of the EU, so that's neither here nor there. The EU is the richest and biggest trading bloc in the world.

People are, arguably, voting leave cos they hate immigrants. But here's the thing: immigration to the UK is at the moment 20% EU citizens, and 80% from the rest of the world. So leaving the EU will have little effect. Truth is, govts (all govts) recognise that we need immigration., It may not be popular with the public, but it keeps the economy on the road. That's why Theresa May kept saying she was going to cut immigration down to the tens of thousands. And yet it stayed in the hundreds of thousands. Why? Because the country needs it. Any trade deals we sign (and they take years to sort out) are not going to be on as favourable terms as the ones negotiated on our behalf by the EU.

Finally, to all intents and purposes, there is no "rule from Brussels". i think I should know, I do live here. Can you give me any examples of Brussels forcing legislation on an unwilling GB?

Still, Putin is laughing...
 
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moto748

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The preferences in the EU is for some sort of democracy to be shown by applicants for membership, however imperfect. The Turks, who've just sent their troops in after Trump hung out the Kurds to dry, do you really think they are partners you'd want to have? Erdoğan is hardly Mr Nice Guy. Anyway, he has a friend in Putin, so he can do without the EU.
 

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Speaking of Turks, "The Young Turks" are the biggest f...wits on YouTube. :hilarious:

The Young Turks Election Meltdown 2016: From smug to utterly devastated.
 

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Our govt's attitude is "They need us more than we need them". Sadly, of course, this just isn't true. Brexit will hurt the EU a bit (Ireland more than most), but the UK will suffer a lot more. Anyway, nobody, but nobody in the UK (mot even Boris Johnson!) is claiming there is going to be any kind of a boom.
You would think having control of your own borders and not being told by a bunch of overpaid pontificators in Brussels things like fisherman have to throw away their catch is worth staying in a poorly enacted Union.
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Yes it will take a while to reset trade relations and open other trade options BUT that wont take as long as British Politicians have taken to enact a lawful MAJORITY vote in favour of Brexit.
The Irish border is an issue those that dont want to give the public what they voted for are dragging their heels on.
You also now have some Scotties demanding a NEW vote over staying part of Great Britain.
Political infighting and scoring stupid points never stops in politics but it could be worse for the Poms if Corbyn ever became PM.
 

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It's not the EU telling fishermen to throw away their fish, stanley, there are international agreements on over-fishing that will still apply whether on the UK is in the EU or not. In fact, the vast majority of Brits employed in the fishing industry are processing fish, rather than catching it. And the vast majority of that processed fish is currently sold to the EU. Post-Brexit, and facing tariffs, that will probably not longer be viable. The fishing industry, like many others, will lose a lot of jobs because of Brexit.

And as I've said before, politicians like to talk about 'keeping foreigners out', because they think a bit of cheap xenophobia plays well with the public, but in practice all govts, even the current Tory one, recognise that the economy needs immigration. Which is why the Tories' repeated claims over the last decade that they will reduce immigration have come to nothing. So the nett result will be (and it's already happening) that EU inwards immigration will reduce, and non-EU immigration, from India, Pakistan, Africa, etc, will increase.
 

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It will be interesting to see how it all transpires now that Boris and the Conservatives have achieved such a thumping victory. Best result since 1987, and the worst for Labour since the 1930's, I understand.
 
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It will be interesting to see how it all transpires now that Boris and the Conservatives have achieved such a thumping victory. Best result since 1987, and the worst for Labour since the 1930's, I understand.
Great result! The great President Donald Trump will do a big beautiful powerful trade deal with Britain, and Australia and a lot of the other Commonwealth nations will probably increase their trade with Britain too. Those who didn't get the Brexit/Election results go their way will naturally say things will be bad and over-exaggerate things, so I wouldn't take notice of their biased opinions. Even so-called experts often give biased opinions. Just remember all the lies about what was going to happen in America if Trump won the election, but he instead has gotten great results. Also, immigration is good, but not an unlimited or uncontrolled amount. It is also important to be smart where you get the immigrants from. Europe was not careful and it resulted in a lot more terrorist attacks and crime and people demanding that nations change their laws and culture.
 

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Good post Radical, I cannot argue with any of those points. I am concerned about Europe's future. I wouldn't want to see the UK go the same way. There is a good book about this: "The Strange Death of Europe". I haven't read it yet, but understand it is well worth it.
 

RADICAL RABBIT

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Good post Radical, I cannot argue with any of those points. I am concerned about Europe's future. I wouldn't want to see the UK go the same way. There is a good book about this: "The Strange Death of Europe". I haven't read it yet, but understand it is well worth it.
Yes the book sounds interesting:

The Strange Death of Europe
The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam is a 2017 book by the British journalist and political commentator Douglas Murray. It was published in the United Kingdom in May 2017, and in June 2017 in the United States.

The book's title was inspired by George Dangerfield's classic of political history The Strange Death of Liberal England, published in 1935.

Thesis
Murray explores two factors that explain why, in his view, European civilization as we have known it will not survive. The first is the combination of mass migration of new peoples into the continent together with Europe's negative birth rates. The second is what Murray describes as “the fact that… at the same time Europe lost faith in its beliefs, traditions, and legitimacy”.