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moto748

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Well we have our own currency in or out of the EU, so that's neither here nor there. The EU is the richest and biggest trading bloc in the world.

People are, arguably, voting leave cos they hate immigrants. But here's the thing: immigration to the UK is at the moment 20% EU citizens, and 80% from the rest of the world. So leaving the EU will have little effect. Truth is, govts (all govts) recognise that we need immigration., It may not be popular with the public, but it keeps the economy on the road. That's why Theresa May kept saying she was going to cut immigration down to the tens of thousands. And yet it stayed in the hundreds of thousands. Why? Because the country needs it. Any trade deals we sign (and they take years to sort out) are not going to be on as favourable terms as the ones negotiated on our behalf by the EU.

Finally, to all intents and purposes, there is no "rule from Brussels". i think I should know, I do live here. Can you give me any examples of Brussels forcing legislation on an unwilling GB?

Still, Putin is laughing...
 
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moto748

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The preferences in the EU is for some sort of democracy to be shown by applicants for membership, however imperfect. The Turks, who've just sent their troops in after Trump hung out the Kurds to dry, do you really think they are partners you'd want to have? Erdoğan is hardly Mr Nice Guy. Anyway, he has a friend in Putin, so he can do without the EU.
 

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Speaking of Turks, "The Young Turks" are the biggest f...wits on YouTube. :hilarious:

The Young Turks Election Meltdown 2016: From smug to utterly devastated.
 

stanleyg

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Our govt's attitude is "They need us more than we need them". Sadly, of course, this just isn't true. Brexit will hurt the EU a bit (Ireland more than most), but the UK will suffer a lot more. Anyway, nobody, but nobody in the UK (mot even Boris Johnson!) is claiming there is going to be any kind of a boom.
You would think having control of your own borders and not being told by a bunch of overpaid pontificators in Brussels things like fisherman have to throw away their catch is worth staying in a poorly enacted Union.
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Yes it will take a while to reset trade relations and open other trade options BUT that wont take as long as British Politicians have taken to enact a lawful MAJORITY vote in favour of Brexit.
The Irish border is an issue those that dont want to give the public what they voted for are dragging their heels on.
You also now have some Scotties demanding a NEW vote over staying part of Great Britain.
Political infighting and scoring stupid points never stops in politics but it could be worse for the Poms if Corbyn ever became PM.
 

moto748

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It's not the EU telling fishermen to throw away their fish, stanley, there are international agreements on over-fishing that will still apply whether on the UK is in the EU or not. In fact, the vast majority of Brits employed in the fishing industry are processing fish, rather than catching it. And the vast majority of that processed fish is currently sold to the EU. Post-Brexit, and facing tariffs, that will probably not longer be viable. The fishing industry, like many others, will lose a lot of jobs because of Brexit.

And as I've said before, politicians like to talk about 'keeping foreigners out', because they think a bit of cheap xenophobia plays well with the public, but in practice all govts, even the current Tory one, recognise that the economy needs immigration. Which is why the Tories' repeated claims over the last decade that they will reduce immigration have come to nothing. So the nett result will be (and it's already happening) that EU inwards immigration will reduce, and non-EU immigration, from India, Pakistan, Africa, etc, will increase.