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stanleyg

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Stan, I see that you are a most difficult student. The reference to the ABC has no point as they merely conveyed a fact.
Please, tell me why that item is an example of being wrong.? You won't because you cannot.
I take it from your tone that you do not like NZ - why is that?
If so, will you be rushing off a nasty letter to PM Morrison for allowing that influx of NZ-ers?

I note that you still fail to stick to a topic.
I also note that you continue to fail to answer simple questions. So, what are you running from? Why does admitting to an error scare you so much?
I also note that it is impossible for you to use real world evidence in any discussion - a reliance on fake memes is only a refection of your mind as you are the one who has accepted them without checking; and you are the one who has convinced himself that they somehow PROVE something about the real world we inhabit.
I have pointed out how you have been fooled by the creators of some of the memes you have uploaded. Yet you still put your faith in those people who clearly have no respect for you.
You have yet to admit to that, or to apologise to any one on here for spreading lies and disinformation.
Now, what was that about you being referred to as a "boy", again please....?

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The ABC leans so far to the left you need a left leg shorter than the right to work there.
They are so Bias it is beyond a joke.
They tell lies and misrepresent themselves to hype up a story.
You only have to look at the poor "go for the jugular" hype in for example..
the live cattle trade story
the Don Dale story
The get Pell at all costs story.
their rabid support for BLM

No mea culpa for the Pell attacks
misrepresenting dangerous juveniles as "poor " little victims
causing $$ millions in harm to our beef industry over nothing.
Not even showing fair and balanced reporting over Black deaths in custody when the stats are there to see . Why? it doesnt suit their leftist agendaBLM 2.JPGBLM 1.JPG

Its a long list not to mention that in tight fiscal times where their fellow "journalists" are getting laid off they all voted to "accept" their pay rise from a public struggling to make ends meet
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They are supposed to be according to their TAXPAYER funded charter fair and balanced but show me a right wing or even middle of the road journo on their staff who actually has a voice?
Its all socialist support and bias propaganda.
Even their shows like Q&A are stacked with militant acitvists and lefties.
They have a token right winger appear to be the sacrificial lamb and thats about it
 
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The ABC leans so far to the left you need a left leg shorter than the right to work there.
They are so Bias it is beyond a joke.
They tell lies and misrepresent themselves to hype up a story.
You only have to look at the poor "go for the jugular" hype in for example..
the live cattle trade story
the Don Dale story
The get Pell at all costs story.
their rabid support for BLM

No mea culpa for the Pell attacks
misrepresenting dangerous juveniles as "poor " little victims
causing $$ millions in harm to our beef industry over nothing.
Not even showing fair and balanced reporting over Black deaths in custody when the stats are there to see . Why? it doesnt suit their leftist agendaView attachment 5027View attachment 5028

Its a long list not to mention that in tight fiscal times where their fellow "journalists" are getting laid off they all voted to "accept" their pay rise from a public struggling to make ends meet
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They are supposed to be according to their TAXPAYER funded charter fair and balanced but show me a right wing or even middle of the road journo on their staff who actually has a voice?
Its all socialist support and bias propaganda.
Even their shows like Q&A are stacked with militant acitvists and lefties.
They have a token right winger appear to be the sacrificial lamb and thats about it
Have a look at the pic of the one holding the rainbow flag, that pic is a classic.
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I guess both the Our ABC and Labor should get a mention seeing that they are joined at the hip against anything remotely liberal.
They complained in a "gotcha" moment about LNP branch stacking involving M Sukkar and others referring it for investigation.

It may have gotten lost in the hype of Gladys love life this week but seeing they were found" NO CASE TO ANSWER" not a mention or apology from labor of our ABC
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I guess both the Our ABC and Labor should get a mention seeing that they are joined at the hip against anything remotely liberal.
They complained in a "gotcha" moment about LNP branch stacking involving M Sukkar and others referring it for investigation.

It may have gotten lost in the hype of Gladys love life this week but seeing they were found" NO CASE TO ANSWER" not a mention or apology from labor of our ABC
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Again, you are way off from the TRUTH.

I fear for your mental health because how can you be so wrong so many times and still have the urge to live? Really, there has to be a reason why you exist beside disseminating lies:

Labor got rid of the Vic minister accused of branch stacking. Albo intervened to ensure the right thing was done and seen to be done.
What have the Libs done in their enquiry on the matter - you know the enquiry Morrison refused to get involved in saying it was a state matter although TWO Fed Ministers are involved! (just like the Ruby Princess enquiry Morrison ordered his ministers and Public Servants NOT to attend...MMmmmmmmmm.)?

BTW You recall the findings of that Ruby Princess enquiry? The Fed Govt has the final say as the Dept of Ag has Bio-security checks that they failed in. That was a failure because a border force official read a medical chart of the ship passengers incorrectly. That is really not a Minister's fault - but the way LNP play political games, they were the ones in charge of who gets into Australia and who does not. NSW Health Officials did not check closely enough, but they do NOT have the final say.

Now, 2 things, please:
1 - Please provide the result of the enquiry into the Lib branch stacking. You saying something about it does not make it real - you have too often shown yourself to be untrustworthy.

2 - Show me the ABC reports on the matter that you object to; with an explanation of why the national broadcaster has done something wrong in the reporting of that very news worthy item.

Meanwhile I'll leave you with this:


The Victorian Liberals are in turmoil, but branch stacking is only part of the story
By state political reporter Richard Willingham
27 August 2020 at 6:09am,

The Victorian Liberal Party is in a bit of a mess. And it has been for some time.
It is riven by factional infighting and its electoral performance in state politics is akin to a bottom-four footy side.
But unlike teams propping up the ladder, there appears to be little appetite for a rebuild on Spring Street.
At a state level, the Liberal Party has won just one election since 1999: Ted Baillieu in 2010.
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Former Victorian premier Ted Baillieu was succeeded by Denis Napthine halfway through his term.(AAP: Julian Smith)
Four years later Victorians turfed out the Coalition, after Baillieu made way for Denis Napthine halfway through the term, in part due to internal bickering and undermining.
Rank and file members have been frustrated with the factional games, but others are enthused by some of the fresh energy brought to an ageing membership.
Hailing from Melbourne's bayside, Marcus Bastiaan emerged on the scene about five years ago with an aggressive campaign of conservative recruitment and alleged branch stacking.
Marcus Bastiaan wears a blue t-shirt over a checked shirt.

Marcus Bastiaan denied the branch stacking allegations, but resigned from the party this week.(Twitter)
This week he resigned his membership following allegations aired by The Age and 60 Minutes that he was a factional branch stacker who was linked to staff in the offices of federal MPs Michael Sukkar and Kevin Andrews. (He denies being a branch stacker and the MPs reject improper conduct under their watch).
Bastiaan's operations have been reported on for years.
When his operation was gaining momentum around four years ago, the warnings were growing louder and louder about the type of people — religious social conservatives — he was bringing into the party, and the methods he was using to do so.
Back then there were warnings from senior Liberals that the party risked a "lurch to the right" that would further imperil its electoral prospects in Victoria, a state more progressive than the rest of the nation, so much so that former PM John Howard dubbed it the "Massachusetts of Australia".
A major target of one faction has been in "underperforming" state MPs, with a push to remove some of the "deadwood" on the backbench and replace them with fresh faces.
The party president at the time, Michael Kroger, did little to stop Bastiaan, in fact he backed Bastiaan in what some senior figures describe as a Faustian pact.
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Michael Kroger backed Bastiaan during his time at the helm of the party.(ABC News)
Fresh allegations of branch stacking against Bastiaan have once again focused attention on the state branch.
His misogynistic and :) language directed at enemies in his party, featured in messages and aired in public, risks entrenching a view that the party is out of touch with middle Australians, particularly women and minorities.
And then there is Karina Okotel, a social conservative Christian courted by Bastiaan but who has had a spectacular falling out with him.
Stephanie Bastiaan, Michael Sukkar and Karina Okotel smiling in front of a bowling green.

Marcus Bastiaan's wife Stephanie, Federal MP Michael Sukkar and Karina Okotel pictured in 2016.(Supplied)
Internally she now sits on the other side of the fence to Bastiaan and Co. The staunch social conservative is linked with party president Robert Clark and Opposition Leader Michael O'Brien.
Okotel has now been blamed for compiling a hit-list of Upper House state MPs from a meeting for a now-busted faction — it contained plenty of smear on its targets' characters.
Former leader Matthew Guy said the factional games must end.
"This is a test for the admin committee. Do they support these games, or do they wish them to end? To end these games they must remove Karina Okotel from the party once and for all,'' Mr Guy told the ABC.
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Former Victorian Opposition Leader Matthew Guy called for Karina Okotel to be removed from the party.(AAP: Joe Castro)
In The Age's expose, secret recordings feature Sukkar talking about Upper House MPs whose preselection should be targeted. They were too moderate and supported Victoria's voluntary euthanasia laws.
On Monday, O'Brien said federal MPs needed to keep out of state matters. On Okotel's behaviour, he said it was a matter for the party.
The party is taking steps on branch stacking.
Victorian Liberal leader Michael O'Brien speaks at a press conference on August 25, 2020.

Victorian Liberal leader Michael O'Brien urged federal MPs to "stick to their knitting".(ABC News: Darryl Torpy)
It has ordered a full external audit of its membership over the past five years to weed out stacks and some are even talking about more severe steps, including a federal intervention of the Victorian branch.
The public outbreak of infighting has given hope to many rank and file members hoping for a change.
"It's baddies vs baddies and unpleasant as it is to see them thrashing the Party brand, normal members wish them every success in torching one another,'' one said.

But a fractured party, with figures more interested in personal vendettas, does not make this job easy.
There is also the constant chatter in Liberal ranks about his performance, with challenges to his leadership frequently mooted — perhaps the outspoken Tim Smith will step up, some say; others yearn for a return to Guy.
Like the Labor Party, whose dirty branch stacking laundry was aired earlier this year, issues of branch stacking and internal fights can easily lead voters to ponder: are political parties really interested in standing up for my needs?



BTW I sincerely hope that you have a beard!
 

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I guess both the Our ABC and Labor should get a mention seeing that they are joined at the hip against anything remotely liberal.
They complained in a "gotcha" moment about LNP branch stacking involving M Sukkar and others referring it for investigation.

It may have gotten lost in the hype of Gladys love life this week but seeing they were found" NO CASE TO ANSWER" not a mention or apology from labor of our ABC
It was an attempt to take the heat off Labors branch stacking but proved a NON event.
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Please, "what happened to Australia"? Can you offer a prediction so that your "evidence" can make some sense.
 

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Laaaadeeees and Gintlemeeennn, it is my honour to present the pristine mind of Stanleyg for your fascination:

Exhibit 1 on why Studley-gspot does not believe in climate science:

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I am really trying to be nice - but you are making it extremely difficult.
I honestly cannot fathom why you are not checking fake news items that "are too good to be true".

As a teen I read an article that most humans have "inbuilt BS detectors".
An alarm will go off in the head when lies are about. It is based on nouse and experience Unfortunately, a small minority have the alarm go off when logic is used; others will hear the siren when evidence is used.
At the same time, some people have the reaction-level on their detector turned so low, they believe almost anything without question.

Every one of your pieces of evidence presented so far has been proven fake, and I just present the evidence of facts.
Your above copy is a real howler - it shows that the battery in your BS detector is faulty, and may well have been since birth.
Let's look at the facts.

Your map is from Feb 08, 2020. Even the maps Key tells us that artic ice is shrinking. Just look closely for yourself. Your yellow line is the median ice edge over a 30 year period for that month (Winter in the Nth Hemisphere). I could not find your Feb 08 version, but I did find the one 2 days later, Feb 10:
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https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/arctic-sea-ice-extent-largest-february-fa/
It can be seen that just above Alaska, there has been some growth - but for the rest of the Arctic the scene is one of continued loss. That is in keeping with all IPPCC forecasts of some areas 'winning', some 'losing'.
Here is the article associated with that map" Arctic sea ice reaches the largest early February ice area in the past 11 years!"
Yet, that hiccup still demonstrates the massive ice loss, even when it is the "best" (for your POV, anyway) in 11 years.

Let's copy from the article: "Overall, winter was rather mild across much of Eurasia and North America, with the exception of Alaska and parts of Canada..(TRUE, even your chosen map proves that)...The model forecast actually shows the sea ice area growth extending into March with a similar pace. But the spring and summer forecast show one of the strongest melt seasons on record. This is still just a long-range forecast, but the sea ice forecasts are generally quite good at detecting melt season trends."

I have told you before that the models have been amazingly accurate. But you wanted to listen to liars who say different. So let's look at the actual map for the Nth Summer of 2020 to see if that forecast is correct or not, shall we:

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Well well well. The models are wrong, huh? The sea ice is growing, huh?
Blind Freddy can see the massive loss of ice for the months of Sept. Unfortunately, that is only for someone with aphysical blindnewss - a mental defect in viewing is an entirely different matter.

Here is the associated article for that map:

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"Arctic sea ice extent averaged for September 2020 was 3.92 million square kilometers (1.51 million square miles), the second lowest in the 42-year satellite record, behind only September 2012." That is "2.49 million square kilometers (961,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average." Keep that massive fig in mind because all of the UK is only 242, 000 sq kms! That is, the loss of sea ice is more than 10 times larger - or 3 times the size of NSW!!!

Now, this is the part where we come to silly buggers: your headline saying "highest extent in a decade", is designed to fool. It has been very successful, because it has completely bamboozled you. The actual maps display that. So, let's see what happens after the cherry picked map of 8th Feb, 2020.
Note date - Sept 15, 2020.

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Why I like this map is the clear opening of the Nth West Passage. And why should that be important? Well it shows that the deniers are also blind to silly buggers:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/06/politics/pompeo-sea-ice-arctic-council/index.html
Pompeo: Melting sea ice presents 'new opportunities for trade' By Jennifer Hansler, May 7, 2019
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Monday praised the Arctic region -- and its rapidly shrinking levels of sea ice -- for its economic opportunities, despite continued warnings about the catastrophic effects of climate change.

"The Arctic is at the forefront of opportunity and abundance," Pompeo said in remarks in Rovaniemi, Finland. "It houses 13 percent of the world's undiscovered oil, 30 percent of its undiscovered gas, an abundance of uranium, rare earth minerals, gold, diamonds, and millions of square miles of untapped resources, fisheries galore."

"Steady reductions in sea ice are opening new passageways and new opportunities for trade," he continued. "This could potentially slash the time it takes to travel between Asia and the West by as much as 20 days. Arctic sea lanes could become the 21st century Suez and Panama Canals," Pompeo remarked.
Many early sailors lost their lives in the futile search for a Nth West Passage. It had been considered impossible - until Global Warming, that is.

Here is another: http://www.kleanindustries.com/s/environmental_market_industry_news.asp?ReportID=857154
Early in 2018, China made its Arctic shipping ambitions official policy by calling for a “polar silk road” linking China to Europe, with an eye on the Northwest Passage that Canada considers an internal waterway.

And yet again: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/04/russia-lays-claim-to-vast-areas-of-arctic-seabed

Russia has submitted a bid to the UN claiming vast territories in the Arctic, the country’s foreign ministry said on Tuesday. The ministry said in a statement that Russia is claiming 1.2m sq km (over 463,000 sq miles) of sea shelf extending more than 350 nautical miles (about 650km) from the shore.

Russia, the US, Canada, Denmark and Norway have all been trying to assert jurisdiction over parts of the Arctic, which is believed to hold up to a quarter of the planet’s undiscovered oil and gas. Rivalry for resources has intensified as shrinking polar ice is opening up new exploration opportunities.


Russia was the first to submit a claim in 2002, but the UN sent it back for lack of evidence

Now we have had the facts, we have had the silly buggers, now we have the just plain weird! You supply a youtube address with that map and graph. So I went to it to see how you could possibly have got it so wrong.
This if from YOUR video at
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Please note the dates at the top left, and the video time at bottom left:

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The above is the end of the video (look at the time). Compare that to the start of the video (look at the time) next:
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Now, please also compare the charts on the bottom right of both maps. Go on - shoo! Go have a look. I'll wait for you to get back.
...tick, tick, tick...Time's up!

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I see a massive loss of sea ice - AGAIN!!

What is wrong with you? Seriously!!

Now, do yourself a favour by Googling, "Is sea ice growing in the arctic?"

Oh, BTW Just in case you were no going to turn your attention to Antarctic, here is a snip from the place where your map was copied (you know the one you failed to understand properly)
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Laaaadeeees and Gintlemeeennn, it is my honour to present the pristine mind of Stanleyg for your fascination, a mind that is so unused, that it is exactly the same as the day he was born - even the sizes are identical:

Exhibit 2 on why Dandy-greasespot does not believe in climate science:

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Hello Stanleyg, welcome.
Where possible I have put evidence in direct quote/italics so that you can copy and paste into a Google search to check the veracity of claims.

A few things - beside all of what you have delivered being wrong, is that nothing of what you offer is from science - so what is your point?
If you are going to base your beliefs and political voting on non-expert advice from comedians, tabloid media and paid hacks from fossil fuel funded think tanks (Heartland, IPA) then please start a thread with a title that gives a reader an idea of the non-credible nature of your forum.

But since you have done a bit of copy and paste, which is NOT research, then I will spend a little time with you via a bit of typing, out of respect. Unless of course you are like so many conservative deniers who did not go too far in formal education (nothing wrong in that, just so long as your deluded arrogance gives you an idea that you know more than the experts as a result of that poorer education. That is just plain stupidity. Surely you can see that.) Poor Radical Rabbit has been so manipulated that he refers to scientists as "so called experts". That is deeply saddening as an adult could be so easily deluded. So if the experts cannot be believed, then who do you turn to? Why the non-experts of choice, of course. And who are they? Easy, Daily Rag, 2GB, fossil fuel funded blogs like Wattsup and JoNova, etc) Do you see the folly in not checking everything you hear in tabloid media - especially on such a vital issue?)

Further, my response is why "believers" hate discussing AGW with "deniers". The latter just blindly repeat unsupported and debunked claims heard on populists media or in echo chambers such as work mates or the pub. Deniers do not go to the science because they feel too unconfident, plus most do not have a back ground in research to feel "fit" enough to do the work. For example, Southy complains that I write too much - that is, there is too much evidence and explanation that contradicts his fakery, so it is easier for him to continue believing the hoax. He is allowed to vote by law, BTW!!! FFS, what is happening to my country????

No offence, but you also have offered no evidence - just some hacked memes/cartoons and bogus lists. Your presentation reveals you may fit into that mob who do not like too much reading or thinking - better instead to have a joke or insult to do the hard yards for the brain.

I'll work through each of your presentations, knocking over the flimsy ones first. I am unable to call your offerings evidence, even without the quotation marks. But I do thank you for the laughs.

The cavemen cartoon is clever, but not scientific evidence. Firstly, Stone Age Humans did not release "Since 1751 the world has emitted over 1.5 trillion tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere". (1,500,000,000,000 tonnes). As a cave man would say: "URG BIGGLY". Now, CO2 traps heat, that is why we can live on the planet. If there was no CO2 we would freeze as with Mars. If we have too much CO2 like Venus, we would fry (around 700 degrees). That trace/tiny amount of co2 (only .004% of the atmosphere) keeps our plant habitable for us. For hundreds of thousands of years there were 280 parts per million (ppm) of CO2 in the atmosphere. That stability was the case up until the Industrial Revolution. (1750-1800). We now have 420 ppm.
Surely you can see the massive increase there.

Stan, when that figure was last on the earth, Humans were NOT around! Think of that.
Further, many of the plants and animals we live off were also not around then.
Evolution is a slow process. Climates changed in the past because of different natural forcings. So when we had the comfortable 280ppm CO2 in the air, we did have an ice age. So why was that if 280ppm is the ideal comfortable amount?
Well, sun activity is not always constant - if the sun releases less energy, or more, then it has an effect on our climate. The rotation of our planet around our tilted axis is not perfect as we seen on a bike or car - there is a wobble. Over 100s of 1000s of years that wobble slightly changes and slowly that effects climate. Nature slowly responds to those changes.

Now, solar activity has been low since 1970s. In fact, a geologist disbeliever in Global Warming, Easterbrook, said all natural forcings have been "cooling", so since 2005 the earth will enter a cold climate. That is clearly not happening as 9 of the 10 hottest global years have occurred since 2005 (look it up - easy Google.)
The rise in temperatures that have occurred in 250 years has NEVER happened this fast before. What is worrying, is that the world has found a balance over the last few million years, and life has evolved in response to that balance. That 1.5 trillion tonnes of CO2 has been locked under ground for 200 million years. While it was buried, nature, and life, evolved into what we have today. In a very short time (compared to Earth's age,) that massive amount has been released in one hit.in super quick time to upset that balance.

At present "there are 1.42 billion cars in operation worldwide, including 1.06 billion passenger cars and 363 million commercial vehicles" In other words, multiply that figure by more than 1000, and put that massive amount of cars in the air, and that is how much CO2 has been released. When, even for a second, you realise the blanket that the GHG CO2 is, then it may give you an idea why scientists are worried (but not fossil fuel interests: they are not worried - why do you think that is Stan?).

Already animal migrations are changing, while some insects are disappearing, while others (may flies are flourishing in permafrost areas that are melting and releasing a more potent (but less abundant Green House Gas - GHG) than Co2, called methanse) are growing in number.
Sea life is disappearing in some places (yes, over fishing has played a role), while some areas are being invaded by species never seen in that locality before. Further, plant life is also on the move, with some species moving further south in Australia as temps warm.

Now, Co2 released in the first steps of the Industrial Rev are still in the air today. Some would have been absorbed by plants, some absorbed by the sea, etc, but CO2 hangs in the air from 30-1000 years. That is why the accumulation is worrying. We keep piling more and more heat trapping ghas on top of each other.
It is pretty easy science Stan. you put more blankets on your bed to keep and trap your body heat, you will be warmer. Keep adding blankets and you become too hot and wake up or kicked the blankets off during the night. It is the same with GHGs. Except not enough people are waking up.

Now, the second reason why cave men cartoon fails as science, is the amount of forest we have cut down over the last 200 years - those lungs of the Earth.
"there are approximately 3.04 trillion trees exist on the planet today--a mind-boggling number, especially compared with previous estimates that had not yet guessed the Earth had even a half-trillion trees. We're fine then, right? However great the news is that we’re adding trees back in the United States, there are still serious concerns about world-wide tree harvests. We have chopped the total number of trees in half since the advent of humans on our surface."

So, as we release more and more CO2, we simultaneously cut down that aspect of nature that evolved to keep that GHG at a balance. "Today, annual tree harvest vs. production on a world-wide scale shows that humans cut down approximately 15 billion trees a year and re-plant about 5 billion.
That’s a net loss of 10 billion trees every year, and a rate that would mean the loss of all trees within the next 300 years. That sounds like a long time, but your great-great-great-grandchildren may not have the same perspective as you do on that topic."


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I hope that simple science dispels the "evidence" of your cartoon on which you form your belief and voting.

More later as I have reached my 10,000 character limit set by this site.
 

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Laaaadeeees and Giiingerbums, it is my honour to present the horrid mind of Stanleyg for your darker selves to be repulses and attracted at the same time like not being able to turn away from a car accident. A mind so twisted that another human could not possibly recognise it as natural. Behold the very definition of "repugnance" itself:

Exhibit 3 on why Randy-granny does not believe in climate science:
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Hello Stanleyg, it's me again. Giving you respect by providing so much evidence and explanation and reason for you to put your thinking straight.
(Just joking, because the science of psychology tells me that minds like yours will not change: Further, psychology also informs that such an insult like that will be taken by you as a compliment! WTF!! )

Now, you could have saved yourself that enormous amount of work you undertook by copy 'n' pasting by just looking up the veracity of your beliefs yourself. That way you would have saved work and embarrassment. To put your name to so many follies on a public forum reflects a man who has little dignity: or at least little awareness of what dignity entails. Your public reproduction of cartoons and distortions as proofs, lavishly exhibits that you are a voter with "no idea".

But at least you saved $300 pa by not having to pay a Carbon Tax, and isn't that what it is all about? (BTW Farmers Assoc and Business Councils now admit that their energy would be now far cheaper - and our emissions far lower - if the carbon tax had been kept. Jobs would also have been boosted if we had kept up production of renewables

But that's politics.

Now for your Flannery cartoon which is enough, for you and those like you, evidence to dismiss a scientist who was made Australian Of The Year for his scientific work. Why didn't the AOY committee just give the award to you Stan, because that cartoon you copied from someone else's work shows that you know more about science than Flannery ever will? Isn't that right, Boyo!

This is why many tabloid media consumers do not listen to stations like the ABC or SBS or read TIME or SMH - they are all too "boring". They just go on and on and on in the same voice. Why don't they shout at, and mock, a guest and demand they are sacked or order their resignation? That is far more entertaining, after all. (BTW Stan, I am not keeping you from re-runs of MAFS am I?)Tabloid media works on emotion, not discussion. The average denier cannot understand that climate change will lead to more extreme weather at different times and in different locations around the world. That is why an illogical cartoon works on people like you.

So for the first time ever, the USA has had two hurricanes approach its shores at the same time fires are breaking out all over the arctic circle. Further, for the first time ever, the USA was hit by more than 5 hurricanes in one season. At that time the rain forest known as the Amazon had a few thousand fires. Yes, as the globe warmed, parts of the Nth Hemisphere were hit by unseasonal freezing weather about a decade back. A Republican senator brought in a snow ball and threw it on the floor of Congress and declared AGW over. Yes, that did happen - he is poaid a few hundred grand a year, and he does not know the difference between local weather and global climate. God help us all. BTW Stan, do you know the diff?

Climate change scientists never said - it would defy logic and their own learning if they did: "Every part of the planet will warm at the same rate, at the same time in an ever increasing up ward trend". If somehow you did think they said that, then you are swallowing more than just lies, methinks...

That one-size-fits-all scenario cannot happen just from common sense. More heat causes more evaporation, which will cause some areas to be wetter and more humid as other areas become drier. That is just basic. The cartoon makes that common sense knowledge as somehow a problem. That is dumb. Who could that DUMB possibly work on, Stan?

As for Flannery, I have a mate who said that scientists and Aussie Of The Year, Flannery, "Is a dick head". I asked why. "Because he is" was the only evidence. That was 18 months ago. I did ask, and he did promise, to send some evidence for the DH claim. I knew he would not - and he hasn't. That is the reasoning of the average denier for you!

I had not known about that criticism of Flannery, so I did a search - which my mate should have done. Murdoch media took a 2007 claim from Flannery saying the current rain in that year would not fill dams. He was of course correct, as history had borne out. He was also correct as the millennial drought still had 2-3 years left in it ravages to run. However, Murdoch continually reported that Flannery said no dams would ever fill again. That was hammered so often that it is all such an audience can remember. They have probably forgotten why they believe Flannery is a dick head - but for Murdoch that is irrelevant: what matters is that his consumers do not believe the science. You have demonstrated yourself a worthy subject of such basic media manipulation. That is OK, there are millions like you.

Flannery did not 'predict' that the drought current in 2007 was 'here to stay'...although it did last another 2-3 years. No scientist would make a claim like that.

He did say also that Perth would need to build a desalination plant - most of Perth's water is now supplied by desal!!

If you disagree, please post verbatim quotes from Flannery. No quote mining, no decontextualising, no citing third parties OR paraphrasing. A direct quote out of Flannery's mouth, please.

The problem for Australia's future, is that you and all those sheep like you, VOTE!!!.
 

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I mentioned it in another post to give Horehead street a laugh.
The Trans tasman "Bubble" saw its first "kiwi" arrivals plastered on the the news last night.
This morning it turns out 17 of them then jumped a domestic flight into the Peoples Republic of Sicktoria.
Chairman Dan wasnt happy as he had not signed up to it.
Those kiwis apparently have now been locked up by Vicpol and placed in quarantine (hopefully not the hotels run by comrade Dan).

With the weather warming more people will be wandering out and about with social distancing the last thing on their minds.
we went overseas to Hurstville yesterday and you get on an escalator ...those that get on behind crowd in on you with no social distancing (probably hoping the closer they get the quicker the trip).
Like, I realise you are living in a parallel reality, but I have been able to understand most of what you say, even though it has little factual relevance, no logic and an absence of underlying rationalism. However, I have to admit that I cannot understand the point you are making with that post.
Can you actually point out what issue you are trying to claim here;
AND,
Please, show how your post relates to the issue you are trying to claim here.
Thanks.
 

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The ABC leans so far to the left you need a left leg shorter than the right to work there.
They are so Bias it is beyond a joke.
They tell lies and misrepresent themselves to hype up a story.
You only have to look at the poor "go for the jugular" hype in for example..
the live cattle trade story
the Don Dale story
The get Pell at all costs story.
their rabid support for BLM

No mea culpa for the Pell attacks
misrepresenting dangerous juveniles as "poor " little victims
causing $$ millions in harm to our beef industry over nothing.
Not even showing fair and balanced reporting over Black deaths in custody when the stats are there to see . Why? it doesnt suit their leftist agendaView attachment 5027View attachment 5028

Its a long list not to mention that in tight fiscal times where their fellow "journalists" are getting laid off they all voted to "accept" their pay rise from a public struggling to make ends meet
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They are supposed to be according to their TAXPAYER funded charter fair and balanced but show me a right wing or even middle of the road journo on their staff who actually has a voice?
Its all socialist support and bias propaganda.
Even their shows like Q&A are stacked with militant acitvists and lefties.
They have a token right winger appear to be the sacrificial lamb and thats about it
You still fail to tie any of that to the thread under discussion. I accused you of not being able to stick to a topic (obviously because you have been defeated but instead of just admitting to that, you raise distractions as some sort of defence). Now, how did you answer that charge against you?
Well, you start talking about the ABC, Deaths In Custody, etc.
I asked you top explain why the reporting of NZers into Australia was wrong/biased/leftist?
You have yet to explain that?

Are you in need of medical assistance? Can you dial triple zero on your phone for help? (BTW I see you are heavily influenced by RW America, so do not make the mistake they made when their original emergency phone was 9-11. which has to be changed to 9-1-1 because too many Yanks could not find the number "11" on their phone. In short, Stand Boy, when I say zero, I do not want you looking for that word on your phone - look for an "0" instead - it looks like your mouth when you come across evidence of fact.)
 

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You still fail to tie any of that to the thread under discussion. I accused you of not being able to stick to a topic (obviously because you have been defeated but instead of just admitting to that, you raise distractions as some sort of defence). Now, how did you answer that charge against you?
Well, you start talking about the ABC, Deaths In Custody, etc.
I asked you top explain why the reporting of NZers into Australia was wrong/biased/leftist?
You have yet to explain that?

Are you in need of medical assistance? Can you dial triple zero on your phone for help? (BTW I see you are heavily influenced by RW America, so do not make the mistake they made when their original emergency phone was 9-11. which has to be changed to 9-1-1 because too many Yanks could not find the number "11" on their phone. In short, Stand Boy, when I say zero, I do not want you looking for that word on your phone - look for an "0" instead - it looks like your mouth when you come across evidence of fact.)

Horehead street..there are non so blind as those that cannot or do not want to see.
You obviously fit into that category.

Praising how wonderful the "bubble is and then have them spread out like ants at a picnic is wrong...not leftist. The ABC did everything with their arrival but play serene heavenly music.
You want to rant about NZ er's but now not only was it 17 but like the telemarket shopping there was "many more" and they also have buggered off to Sickpol and WA.
The Feds control national borders not STATE borders as Andrews has pointed out which is why all vic labor has amnesia over fed help for THEIR hotel quarantine.
While you are at it you can do a Pauline and "please explain" my other examples of ABC left wing journalism or do you have your head back in the sgt Schultz sand again?

Are you a cop or something? first you rant nothings and now you have put a "charge" against me?

I am heavily "influenced" by no one.
I make my own decisions and opinions which just happen to agree with free speech.
If that co incides with "RW" america then its fine...by me. God help them the Left have done nothing but moan after Hilary lost the unlosable and mount witch hunt after witch hunt in a "get Trump" campaign since 2016.

why would I want to call 000? surely if you are in need you can do that yourself?.

I think you are scraping the bottom of the desperation barrel...because their emergency number is NINE , ONE , ONE not NINE ELEVEN and every yank knows that.
If any aussies are silly to try and ring that then they are obviously watching too much TV.

Who is "STAND" boy?

If you want to try being patronising because your argument points are baseless at least do a better job of it.
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Like, I realise you are living in a parallel reality, but I have been able to understand most of what you say, even though it has little factual relevance, no logic and an absence of underlying rationalism. However, I have to admit that I cannot understand the point you are making with that post.
Can you actually point out what issue you are trying to claim here;
AND,
Please, show how your post relates to the issue you are trying to claim here.
Thanks.
It might be you who is living in a parallel reality Horehead Street.
do you often hear twilight zone music?
 

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Would Tanya feel "sorry" if this was happening to a man?
I would say NO. But meanwhile her NSW counterpart is savagely attacking Gladys to gain what political points she can.
The member for Sydneys only achievements were presiding over a portfolio of fiscal waste in an inept Labor government and getting regularly thrown out of question time