Rugby League ANZAC Test - 1 May 2015 - Aust v NZ

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NU> I am pleased to hear of this Kiwi over-confidence. :p

I doubt it will extend to the team, though.
 

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Its not about whether the younger guys are better than the Older guys but whether they have the hunger for a win or not.
The older guys have been around for ages and guys like Parker at 33 wont be there next season so they should be looking at blooding the younger ones rather than hanging onto the old stagers who only seem to lift when they play for Qld. People may say He was in the side for his kicking skills but that's what they had Thurston for.
They also seem to have the singular attitude that they will make the break that wins the game instead of playing as a team which they do in club games or they would end up in reserves..
Sheen has been good as coach but if he takes the fall for it I hope they don't talk Bellamy into the job as he failed miserably at Origin level.
Agree on Bellamy. I think it was proven at Origin level that he is a cheque book coach. Without his star players (Cronk, Slater, Smith and now Bromwich and in the past Widdop) he hasn't got a go to plan to win without the stars.
 
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It seems to me that Bellamy would be more of the same problem at international level. It's not so much a case of whether DCE (say) is a better player than JT (he probably isn't, but he's still a very fine footballer); more about the way they choose to play than the players.
Thats the thing about the next level of Australian players. Take DCE for example, he is next in line behind Cronk and Thurston. But i was REALLY hoping he was going to play in the ANZAC test because i see him as a weakness and i'm sure the Kiwis do as well. And Woods as a test front rower, he isn't good enough to lace the boots of some the top Aussie props that have played in the last 25 years. Bird? He would struggle to make the English or Kiwi team. Who are the next cabs off the rank for Australia? The only shining light i can see is Moylan. He is going to be a hell of player when he develops. But who are the other obvious stars for the Aussies?
 

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Jack bird:bag: Frizzel?. I am sure there are a lot of up and comers given their chance. There is also some older players with time still on their side like the Morris boys who obviously would have played barring their injuries..
 

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Jack bird:bag: Frizzel?. I am sure there are a lot of up and comers given their chance. There is also some older players with time still on their side like the Morris boys who obviously would have played barring their injuries..
The Morris twins a really rate and fear when they play for Australia. Frizzel is an established Wales test player. Wouldn't have thought he'd be eligible for Australia.
 

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Agree on Moylan. Looks a terrific, confident player already, and can only improve. Bird, I would have thought, is only a 'maybe', along with Brooks, Austin, etc. I still say it's about tactics as much as personnel, though.
 

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Cant see why Frizzel couldnt play for Oz.
Hayne played for another country and Farah turned out for Lebanon once didnt he?. It only seems to be an issue when it comes to playing for Unzed or Oz like with Tamou.
Bird (J not G) seems to be a player of the future if he can keep his form. Brooks is also doing well for the Tiggers and you hardly hear the name Moltzen mention these days as he languishes in the lower grade.
 

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Was there a thread for the City/Country game? Watched that earlier. Couldn't help but think that if the Kangaroos played with the sort of freedom shown in that game, they might have made a bigger impression on the Kiwis. Good entertaining game of footy. Maloney owned Reynolds and he and Austin were the best halves on display by a mile.

Reynolds is just such a jerk.
 

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Cant see why Frizzel couldnt play for Oz.
Hayne played for another country and Farah turned out for Lebanon once didnt he?. It only seems to be an issue when it comes to playing for Unzed or Oz like with Tamou.
Bird (J not G) seems to be a player of the future if he can keep his form. Brooks is also doing well for the Tiggers and you hardly hear the name Moltzen mention these days as he languishes in the lower grade.
Thats the thing that gets me with a lot of Australian league fans (not having a go at you Stanleyg). Australia has a wealth of talent, last i heard 300,000 registered players, yet is still happy to strip players out of countries that need all the quality players they can get. For instance Uate for Fiji and Frizzel for Wales. Both of these countries have the potential to play major rolls in international league but Australia pillaging them aint helping no one but Australia. Tamou in some ways is even worst. Born and raised in NZ. Played his junior league in Palmerston North in NZ. Was talent scouted by the NRL clubs as a teenager, moved to Australia to further his career. Is selected for NZ A, is basically involved with and is being developed in the NZ test team but then has $$$$ thrown at him and a jersey of convenience (NSW jersey) and NZ losses him. Admittedly, he would be unlikely to play for NZ now with the depth we have but again it is Australia stripping away depth from other countries to suit their own needs.
 

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Was there a thread for the City/Country game? Watched that earlier. Couldn't help but think that if the Kangaroos played with the sort of freedom shown in that game, they might have made a bigger impression on the Kiwis. Good entertaining game of footy. Maloney owned Reynolds and he and Austin were the best halves on display by a mile.

Reynolds is just such a jerk.
Daley will be a mug to pick Reynalds over Maloney. I also watch the replay of it and thought Maloney out played Reynolds in almost every aspect of the game. Austin must surely be ahead of Reynolds now as well.
 

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Thats the thing that gets me with a lot of Australian league fans (not having a go at you Stanleyg). Australia has a wealth of talent, last i heard 300,000 registered players, yet is still happy to strip players out of countries that need all the quality players they can get. For instance Uate for Fiji and Frizzel for Wales. Both of these countries have the potential to play major rolls in international league but Australia pillaging them aint helping no one but Australia. Tamou in some ways is even worst. Born and raised in NZ. Played his junior league in Palmerston North in NZ. Was talent scouted by the NRL clubs as a teenager, moved to Australia to further his career. Is selected for NZ A, is basically involved with and is being developed in the NZ test team but then has $$$$ thrown at him and a jersey of convenience (NSW jersey) and NZ losses him. Admittedly, he would be unlikely to play for NZ now with the depth we have but again it is Australia stripping away depth from other countries to suit their own needs.
A fair comment. You only have to look at a few other sports though and they do the same. Our rugby side would be more useless than it is without all the Islanders playing. The only ones the RU wont pick are aussie players who play overseas..
In the NRL the problem of course has been everyone wants to play with the top side and if they search hard enough they can probably find a granma or granpa so they can.
Sort of like Qld with their rubbery Origin borders.

On the bright side instead of looking for players Unzed will now have the problem of deciding who to leave out after their winning streak while Oz continues its habit of picking players out of position just to get name stars into the rep games at the expense of players who are actually going well in those spots.
 

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Reynolds is just such a jerk.
My work involves me in NRL memberships from time to time. After that blow-up with the Bulldogs, there were more than a few membership down-grades from Family packs to just Dads. This Reynolds business won't help League sales at all which is good. Impacts on the bottom line are a great way to clean up an otherwise excellent product.

 
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Indeed, Terry, that's interesting. In my view him, and Greg Bird, the game could very happily do without.
 

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G bird has always been bit of a grub going back to when he and gallen were the bash brothers.
Reynolds just thinks he is the re incarnation of Alfie Langer who specialised in trips so the NRL changed the rule interpretation to accommodate his mini Cumberland throw trips by saying a trip is fine as long as you have one hand touching the tripped player.
Actually both players could take a trip to superleague:bag:
 

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I never saw that much of Alfie (except with a water bottle! :) ), so I'll take your word on that! I wouldn't bracket Gallen too much with Reynolds and Bird; he may be often ugly, but if ever a player was a warrior, it's him. And a very good footballer too.
 

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G bird has always been bit of a grub going back to when he and gallen were the bash brothers.
Reynolds just thinks he is the re incarnation of Alfie Langer who specialised in trips so the NRL changed the rule interpretation to accommodate his mini Cumberland throw trips by saying a trip is fine as long as you have one hand touching the tripped player.
Actually both players could take a trip to superleague:bag:
Well, this one's getting a little holiday.


Greg Bird to miss Blues' State of Origin campaign after failed bid to downgrade dangerous throw charge
Updated about 7 hours ago


Photo: Greg Bird faced the judiciary on a dangerous lifting charge for the sixth time in his career. (AAP Image: Paul Miller)


A crestfallen Greg Bird has been rubbed out of the entire State of Origin series after copping an eight-game ban at the NRL judiciary on Wednesday night.

After deliberating for just nine minutes the judiciary panel of Chris McKenna, Bronson Harrison and Mal Cochrane upheld Bird's grade two dangerous throw charge for his tackle on Kiwi winger Jason Nightingale in the Kangaroos' Test loss on Sunday.

The Blues enforcer will not be available until the Gold Coast's round 19 fixture against Newcastle.

Bird declined to comment after the verdict was handed out. Instead Titans coach Neil Henry made a brief statement to waiting media.

"Obviously we are very disappointed in the outcome," Henry said.

"We thought we made a strong case for a downgrade - grade two to grade one - and we thought we had evidence to prove that.

"Unfortunately that wasn't the case with the judiciary.

"As a club we are very disappointed to lose the services of Greg for an extended period of time."

Bird's defence counsel Jim Hall unsuccessfully argued that Australian back-rower Corey Parker held the greater responsibility for Nightingale ending up in a dangerous position.

"There was low force from player Bird (but) the force from player Parker was high or moderate," Hall said.

"The three players (including Australian winger Alex Johnston) played a part in the tackle going wrong.

"Player Parker took control of the tackle and pulled the player down."

'Nothing trivial' about Bird's tackle
Bird had pleaded guilty to a dangerous throw but had sought a downgrade from a grade one to a grade two.

However judiciary prosecutor Peter McGrath successfully argued that "the danger or the potential of danger is what makes the grading appropriate.

"There is nothing trivial about it."

Through numerous angles of the tackle McGrath said that Bird had "re-gripped" or made a "second effort" in tackling Nightingale and then lifting the St George Illawarra star into a dangerous position.

McGrath said that not Parker nor Johnston had contributed to the position Nightingale was placed in.

"Player Parker really lessens the force or impetus," McGrath said.

In giving evidence Bird conceded it was "an awkward tackle" but said: "I'm suggesting it wasn't a lifting movement, I wasn't in control".

Trent Merrin shapes as the most likely replacement for Bird in New South Wales' back-row with Boyd Cordner, Ryan James and Josh Jackson among the other possibilities.

In other judiciary news, Josh Reynolds was handed a one-week ban thanks to an early guilty plea for tripping in the City-Country clash, while Sam Thaiday and Kaufusi Felise were given the same punishment after also submitting early guilty pleas for a dangerous throw and dangerous contact respectively.

AAP
 
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